Friday, February 18, 2005

 

Animals Will Still Die.

What harm does the hunting ban address?

From today, hunting animals with dogs will be illegal for the English, for the first time since William the Conqueror.

After the pubs close tonight, whilst the queues of the nation’s kebab shops gently vomit and fight, when the last fish-wrapper lies in the pavement and the burger bars are shuttered, we’ll be resting safely in our beds knowing that noone is killing animals for pleasure. If, that is, we are one of the 339 MPs who voted to outlaw hunting with dogs.

Keith Feiling, writing in 1950, said of the previous ban, “No part of Norman government was more hateful”. I’m a New Labour man at heart, but I’ve had serious problems with this Government: Dishonesty about the war in Iraq and the kow-towing to religious fundamentalists, for example. But the hunting ban, for its fabulous stupidity and hypocrisy, is indeed the most hateful.

Stupidity, as surely not all of the 339 can have realised that the processes which produce their Sunday roast involve the death of animals. Hypocrisy, as I understand that not all of them are vegans. Although the MPs put down their pasties and bacon butties long enough to vote for it, I don’t know how the courts are going to read the legislation with all the bacon fat stuck to the pages from the lard-stained figures of its drafters.

You have to actually be a vegan to vote for the ban without hypocrisy. Overwhelmingly, chickens, pigs and dairy cows live all of their lives in pain and misery, before being slaughtered in terror. The hunted fox lives a natural life and is then killed. Also, fox-hunting does not have the harmful externalities of animal husbandry: deforestation for grazing and farting herds are major contributors to global climate change.

It is sometimes suggested that there is something immoral about taking pleasure in killing. Does an MP not sometimes take pleasure in a lamb-chop? Even if he only ate goats raised on uncultivable hillsides and sung to sleep by a chorus of nymphs, the MP would have to ask himself, of each portion, whether it was for pleasure or necessity. Then he might ask himself whether any other thoughts and feelings have been criminalized.

In a sense, it’s hard to argue against the ban, as no real arguments have been given for it. What harm is it supposed to address? Animal rights? But we can still kill foxes, and rats too. A fox will not now be able to apply for compensation on the grounds that its rights have been infringed by a human any more than a rabbit will be able to assert its rights against a fox.

I was once, inexplicably, the target of write-in campaign by the Shellfish Liberation Front (or some such organisation). These people deserve much more respect than the anti-hunt brigade. At least they see some of the corollaries of ‘animal rights’, although I doubt they would assert the rights of a crab against an otter.

I’m a city-boy, and not fox-hunter. I don’t know why fox-hunting would interest anyone and find the idea unpleasant. However, I have very much the same attitude to Richard Whiteley’s activities. But I don’t think viewers of countdown should be arrested for being entertained by his dreadful puns.

Last week, I ventured into the countryside and stopped at a village church. There had been a break-in, and there were bits of an 800-year-old stain-glass window scattered over the graveyard. A man arrived who told me he was returning once again to wait for the police. They’d failed to make their appointment in the morning and there wasn’t much chance of them coming now, judging by the experience of the previous six break-ins.

Who wants even five minutes of police time that could have been spent catching those burglars wasted on trying to ascertain whether someone with dogs is hunting? As to the problem of policing the ban, William I had a solutioon: everyone who owned a dog had to cut three claws from its front feet. I commend this approach to the Government.

Perhaps the ban will not last as long as the Norman dynasty. The Conservatives have said that they will overturn the ban on their first day in office. My attitude to the Tories has historically been similar to that of Nye Bevan, but now I support their election, if only for one day.

Comments:
your arguments are quite good.

quick summary response:


1) thoughts and feelings. yes: 'feeling' of 'intent' vital for eg murder conviction. HOWEVER, fact of a death also vital.

the argument against fox-hunting has not identified 'death of fox' as the problem to be addressed. it inevitably boils down to some version of 'blood lust of fox hunter' being identified.

case of rape often presented in same context, eg "it's all about 'thoughts & feelings' - otherwise you'd be banning sex". however, this again does not follow. the harm (often/ always forgotten, tragically, in actual/ historical rape jurisprudence) is that a person has been raped (had her rights over over her body removed by force).

2) logical invalidity of 'hypocrisy' argument: yes. it is true that it's nonsense to argue (in effect) that someone can't clear up one mess without agreeing to clear them all up.

However: what about a sign saying "NO JEWS ALLOWED ON THE GRASS"? Could you argue, "we need to preserve the grass.
we're making a start"? Obviously not. that is because equality is a human right.

likewise "posh rural people can't harm animals. it is effectively mandatory for urban plebs to do so ceaselessly".

3) Bear-baiting etc..

this is of course the strongest argument and one I have sympathy for. we have arrived at fundamental problem of philosophy. (eg "what is meant by 'rights'?"). (without attempting to delve into this, my conclusion is that we must reach a compromise on human terms, without according 'rights' to animals).

but note:

a) do you know by what instrument bear-baiting, cock-fighting etc.. made illegal? it was ( i think) the Gaming Act of 1892. not the '"animal rights"
act of 1892'.

this is in the same breath, and for the same reason, as the ban on bare-fisted boxing; race-course & fair-ground regulation etc..

b) badgers are a protected species. the rationale of the two concepts (animal rights and conservation) should never be confounded.

so you can ask: do i think that people should be allowed to freely torture their own dogs and donkeys, as long as is not associated with Gaming? i don't really have an answer. but i can say that the statement "oh those horrible spanish people torturing donkeys by earning a living from them. i'm going to protest about this. must remember to pack some scotch eggs and bacon sandwiches" is absurd.
 
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